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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 682

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for the 31st of october 2021

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halloween

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and uh

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in a few hours more it'll be halloween

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in other parts of the world

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and if you like halloween and if you do

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halloweeny type things

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have fun

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i don't mind halloween halloween is lots

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of fun

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and i think especially if my friends in

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melbourne who at long last have the

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opportunity to break out and enjoy the

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wonderful offerings of maybe melbourne

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city getting out to the countryside

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they've been in lockdown for a very long

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time

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maybe melbourne people you can enjoy

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some nice red wine and peanuts

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coming up on today's show it's a bit of

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a spooky one

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with maynard's spooky action

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an important maynard spooky action

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maynard and i joined

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associate professor siobhan o'sullivan

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for a spooky tour of a local suburb

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which is said to have

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sydney's most haunted street so the

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three of us wander around at night

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torches in hand stumbling around the

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back

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areas of sydney

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and siobhan has been on the skeptic zone

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before to tell us about her journey with

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ovarian cancer

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and i

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i must tell you folks she has quite the

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attitude towards it

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she is living life to the fullest she is

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getting out there she is spreading the

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message

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for women about ovarian cancer an

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important maynard's spooky action indeed

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so important

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the whole segment goes for about or

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something like 20 minutes

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but the whole adventure lasted almost an

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hour so i've put the whole adventure not

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the edited highlights but the whole

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adventure on youtube and if you are a

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subscriber to the skeptic zone on

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youtube that will come up in your feed

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or if you go to this week's show notes

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you'll see the link to the special

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extended content of the story

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and there's a little map and as we walk

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around the haunted area you can follow

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our progress on the little red dot so

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check that out if you enjoy the segment

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with dr siobhan professor i should say

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associate professor siobhan

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check out the extended

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following that it's the book of tim with

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tim mendom

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tim reads from the pages of the skeptic

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magazine and this week looks at

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sturgeon's law

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and it's our reporter in melbourne

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michelle bickersma

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who i hope is getting out and enjoying

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the city and the countryside

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in fact i know she's been to the

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countryside lately

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she went and discovered she had a letter

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waiting for her in her letter box all

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an octopus with a hand-drawn picture of

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an octopus on the envelope this is very

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mysterious find out more with michelle

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then to round off the show because it's

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halloween i dive into the decades of

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digitized newspapers here in australia

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to search for references in the past to

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halloween here in australia well that's

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enough for me at the moment i'm going to

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run downstairs and have something

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scary and ghastly and spooky to drink or

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into shapes of ghosts or something like

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here's maynard's spooky action

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glebe is known for lots of things uh

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trotting

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lots of other stuff i can't mention on

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the skeptic zone or richards who'll cut

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it out but it's known for a lot of

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things let me tell you and it's known

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for archers hear this arch

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in fact not many people know that all

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someone who claims that this is perhaps

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one of the spookiest areas in sydney

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it's dr siobhan uh o's sullivan and uh

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look she's uh you might know from

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knowing animals you might know from her

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work about privatizing the the

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unemployment system but tonight you're

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going to show us glebe's spookiest place

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well thank you it's so wonderful to be

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here sharing this is my local area and

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it's wonderful to be sharing the

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spookiness with you

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i mean what drew you to this spooky area

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we're just next to the the famous tram

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sheds which were abandoned for many

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when they were abandoned man that was a

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time to be in those tram sheds when

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there was nothing in there well i am an

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annandale resident so i'm a local and

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i'm always keeping an eye out for local

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that there's a street with no name very

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close to me

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and apparently it's also haunted i had

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to look into it further and of course i

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needed the skeptics with me cool well

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let's go have a look because i've been

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reading up on my woo before this so i

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know what to talk about everything

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richard how are you feeling about this

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because i know i know

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ghosts don't exist you're just having an

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existential crisis

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i think i must be here as the token

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skeptic no it's great to see you dr

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siobhan yes haven't seen you for a

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little while and actually mainland dr

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wrote to the skeptic zone and said you

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should check out sydney's most haunted

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street she took the time to do that but

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she did not mention your haircut in her

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email she you really no

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do something about your hair anyway

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you're both looking very dapper you've

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both emerged out of lockdown looking

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very groomed and fresh face ready to go

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well i've just been doing sit-ups just

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the one but it was great

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well then that's singular

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but i am keen i am keen to explore

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sydney's most wanted stream so uh dr

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siobhan we are at the first

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overgrown we're but we're by this tram

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line is this above us here or something

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like that um it looks scary that used to

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be the the goods railway and now you'll

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find that that's the light rail that

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goes over there richard yeah let's go

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get this noise people

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she's going well you'll be glad to know

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that i'm playing the part of scooby in

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tonight and i've i've prepared a coding

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now you say that this this is this a

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laneway or what is this exactly

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this is called the street with no name

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my sincere suspicion is that it's

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actually just a little bit of government

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land in a very inaccessible spot and

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that's why it's not being given a name

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do use it to sleep rough i don't think

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anyone's here at the moment oh okay well

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it's getting on dark there might be in

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which case we should leave them alone if

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that's the case i suspect there's no one

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maynard's venturing on ahead having a

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beautiful look i don't want to disturb

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anybody i'll follow maynard through this

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it's a little bit scary what was that oh

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and making your way along here

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someone's there but i don't think

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anyone's up there this is a so what is

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supposed to happen here siobhan is just

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actually when i came here in the day to

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have a look in this very tree that we

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were standing under right now we saw

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three kookaburras and i thought isn't it

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nice that there are some spots where

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humans don't dominate and wildlife can

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themselves yes i'm just wondering if

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scare them off we don't know i must

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dark there's no one around and you don't

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live ones you've got to worry about and

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having worked for the abc i can

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certainly remember that's gone up ahead

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it's very dark

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from the other side and i think if we

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keep going a little bit we might

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actually be able to exit as well so i

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think we might have done the whole

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street with no name it's hard to

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describe because we've got

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all the trees and the the hill right on

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we've come to a dead end what's he might

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say it's a dead end

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three old tents yeah

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a lot of uh

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right as we exit here with the and a

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whole lot of graffiti which is a bit of

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a pity because some of it's actually

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good but no one's ever going to see it

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in here yeah

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i want a pair of pants that's got a pair

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of haunted pants probably oh and a whole

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bunch of spa it's huntsman spider in

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that too

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yeah yeah i don't like don't like

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we're ducking through

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this sort of

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growth here so it's not

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it's not too bad but it's not a straight

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it's sort of like apocalypse now without

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the drama and the budget that's right

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it's on the cheap

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we can't afford very good ghosts i'm

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afraid

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so we've got to settle for what we get

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got to say as far as non-local

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consciousness goes i don't think this is

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a place that has any non-local

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consciousness yes um obviously you know

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dr rupert sheldrake is a guy who listens

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to the skeptic zone fairly often often

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all the time and of course uh i've

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watched uh a half he's half his ted talk

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half half his ted talk yeah look i saw

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where he's going didn't have to see the

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second half

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[Applause]

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and boy did that stir people up it was

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called the science delusion oh boy

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why are you giving that man a platform

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now we've come back and we're under this

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uh

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this arch again

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well that wasn't too bad um that wasn't

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too bad i imagine it was a bit scarier

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than it was during the day for you yes

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and i didn't go as deep in so i think we

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really really penetrated the street with

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no name

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because i thought that was going to go

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all the way up to the top but that must

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be another street that goes down the

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side of the tram sheds

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now as we're strolling along siobhan

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uh

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skeptic zone listeners will remember i

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interviewed you was it

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april or something like that may or

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something like that now you have

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been undergoing quite

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the adventure

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our listeners who may not have heard

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that episode uh you were a podcaster

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doing knowing animals of course very

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good podcast without animal welfare

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basically and then you

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received the news that you were

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diagnosed with ovarian cancer yes that's

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right in start of august 2020 last year

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i was feeling quite bloated and a bit

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unwell i couldn't really put my finger

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on what it was

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i ended up in the emergency room at rpa

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which is one of the big public hospitals

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in sydney and i was told that i had

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ovarian cancer stage three

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since then i have gone through the

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standard procedure the standard

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treatment which is six rounds of

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chemotherapy and surgery to remove the

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cancer

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but i've been very unlucky i

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um

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the cancer had already spread basically

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before they stopped the primary

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treatment

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and then i was moved on to another chemo

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but then after a couple of rounds i was

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chemo resistant meaning that

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chemotherapy couldn't work for me

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anymore

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so

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this is what happens unfortunately with

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ovarian cancer you know i was about 20

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years younger than the average age of

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diagnosis

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and within kind of eight months i was

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basically terminally ill

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and so

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i was given a couple of options one was

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to stop all treatment and i would die by

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christmas this year so in a month

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or i could go back to a really old

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chemotherapy drug

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and i would lose all my hair i'd have to

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have it once a week i'd be constantly

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sick and i'd live a year

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or i could look around for a drug trial

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so with options like that

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i decided to look around for a drug

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trial

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have had one round and so far

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it has shown that the tumors aren't

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growing so i stay on it until the tumors

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start growing

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and then i'm out of treatment options so

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i'm hoping to live another year and a

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half that's what i would like at least

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i've been told to look around for

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another drug trial but finding another

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ovarian cancer drug trial is not as easy

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as it sounds so

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that's my situation and

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one of the things i want to do is raise

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awareness about ovarian cancer because

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it is this

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really anomalous cancer it is not like

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so many other cancers where it can be

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quite effectively treated and the large

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majority of people would be expected to

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live for quite a while if not have

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remission

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ovarian cancer has something like a 25

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you know survival rate and it is a

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really it's a real killer and we need

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research is that reason because it's

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usually discovered late because it isn't

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found early

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it is a real scraper so you get almost

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no symptoms you get this feeling that

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you're a little bit bloated but quite

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frankly during covert who doesn't feel

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quite a bit bloated

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and of course um for many women most

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women they get it later in life and so

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you'll have skipped periods and things

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like that but that's also part of

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getting older so a lot of people just

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think my body's changing with age but in

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fact it may well be ovarian cancer even

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in the early stages is there any

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biomarker in blood or anything like that

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that will tell it like like a prostate

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psi test that sort of thing yes there is

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there is quite a reliable marker in the

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blood when i went to my gp and said i

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feel bloated i don't feel well the first

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gp said to me go home and take laxatives

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so i did that for about three days and i

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felt so terrible every day i felt worse

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and worse and worse i went back to my

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practice so a different doctor and he

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tested me for that marker and it was

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very elevated it's supposed to sit below

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25 in my case it was around 400

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but the problem with that marker

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is that after a while your body works

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out how to keep it low even though the

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cancer is growing so it's all quite the

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real way to find out if you have it is a

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cat scan but the reason one of the

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reasons it's such a nasty disease and

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we're so desperate to get some research

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and some answers

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is that i was diagnosed at the start of

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august 2020 and it's very likely that on

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the 1st of january 2020 i did not have

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ovarian cancer

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so it is a really fast growing cancer

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there is a version of it that isn't

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fast-growing but the one i have which is

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the more common one is fast-growing

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so even if you had a yearly blood test

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looking for that marker you could still

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miss it and that six months would be

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enough to cause problems absolutely and

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another thing that is really tragic and

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and makes me feel so

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sad and a little bit despairing about

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the research side of ovarian cancer

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is that a very very large study was

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conducted actually by

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my vice chancellor at my university

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which is unsw sydney

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and they had a look at a lot of data

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from the nhm from from from the uk that

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they'd collected um in the uk and what

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they found was that even early detection

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didn't mean that you could save people's

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lives so even getting it early you still

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have these terrible outcomes so what we

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need to do is either find a way to get

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it really early or we've got to find a

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way to effectively treat it

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or both

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now did you ever at any stage go to dr

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google and be horrified

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do you know it's interesting i didn't

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google it up immediately i was diagnosed

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through emergency at rpa it was during

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covert it was a very traumatic and

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upsetting experience

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and even my

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doctor at rpa emergency the first thing

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he said was it's probably appendicitis

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and we'll just rule out the really nasty

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things etc and they put me in ct scan

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machine and then they saw the cancer and

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i was in a real state i ended up at

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chris o'brien life house which is a

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really lovely cancer hospital and it's

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kind of place that i would encourage

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listeners to support if they're in a

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position to to support a hospital that's

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really trying to do good work

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but i was a mess i was there for about

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two and a half weeks and i had i was i

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can't tell you i was not in a good

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position a lot of friends have since

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said that they didn't think i was even

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going to get out of hospital that first

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time i was there i was very very sick

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and so i didn't really google it up i

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was so nauseous i couldn't really look

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at a screen i was just trying to hang in

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the game

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and a lot of people use words in in

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cancer like battling cancer and i've

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spoken to adrian edmondson whose wife

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jennifer saunders had breast cancer and

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he said that that's not great it's more

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like a roller coaster ride through [\h__\h]

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um

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and i'm sure they don't like to use that

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kind of language on channel seven or

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channel nine but to someone who's had

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that sort of experience is battle just a

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really bad word because it indicates you

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can actually change something where you

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can't always

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exactly i have asked my friends and

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family to really think about avoiding

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the vocabulary of battle particularly

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when i die which is what is going to

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happen to me fairly soon and the reason

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why i don't appreciate that use of

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language is it suggests that i have

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agency and if only i fought harder did

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this did that then it would go away and

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the extension of that is that i brought

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this on myself with the wrong type of

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thinking or whatever else and not only

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do i think that is incorrect but also it

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means that all the little children that

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get cancer they also had the wrong type

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of thoughts they didn't think in the

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right ways and i think that is so nasty

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and so unhelpful so i've asked my

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training doctors numerous times over

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what can i do to help myself and they

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say the same thing over and over again

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stay away from sick people because i'm

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immunocompromised and turn up for your

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appointments because the doctors are the

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ones that are going to keep me alive

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00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:00,799
well look i have decided that one of the

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things i want to do before i die is

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raise awareness and funds for ovarian

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cancer treatment so it really is one of

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the most deadly cancers you can get

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definitely most deadly cancer for women

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and that has to change

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it's too late for me i'm going to die of

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ovarian cancer that's what's going to

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happen

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but there are young women out there who

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do not have to suffer that same fate we

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need research and research requires

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funds so i'm doing as much as i can

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whenever i'm getting an opportunity to

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do it so it's various things so for me

550
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to give myself meaning in this last

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period of my life

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is to try and

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make the world a better place for

554
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women with ovarian cancer and what

555
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,000
should they do siobhan where should they

556
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,480
go we're on the web yeah well there are

557
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,000
lots of different places where you can

558
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,679
make a donation that would be really

559
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,000
meaningful so the ovarian cancer

560
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:55,760
research foundation is somewhere you

561
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,919
could donate to um

562
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,480
there's um kind of like

563
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,480
there's ovarian cancer support group so

564
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,480
for example i have a nurse who rings me

565
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,400
up every six weeks to answer my

566
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,960
questions and that's all money that's

567
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:10,640
raised through funds

568
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,320
um chris o'brien life house is also um

569
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,159
a good place they do all kinds of

570
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,320
cancers but they've supported me so

571
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,480
there's lots of different ways that you

572
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,320
can support oh

573
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,720
oh look now there's a cute cat walking i

574
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,240
think the cat's the cat's after the rat

575
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,960
right the cat's going

576
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,720
the haunted gate yeah going to be some

577
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,919
uh

578
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:34,559
i think that cat's a mouser or a ratter

579
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,360
well

580
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,360
i was talking gleefully and i didn't

581
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,600
even realize that a haunted guy i think

582
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,520
i think you've made a very important

583
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,360
message to our listeners siobhan and i

584
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:45,200
thank you for that and folks i must tell

585
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,559
you that one of the reasons i'm here

586
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,919
because siobhan wrote to me and said

587
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,440
told me about this place she said well

588
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,360
i'm looking for places to haunt after i

589
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,120
die

590
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,880
well this brings us to non-local

591
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:56,080
consciousness

592
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,840
i i now you do live around here don't

593
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,480
you yes well um so uh with non-local

594
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,080
consciousness that does not mean you're

595
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,159
limited physically to any area around

596
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,200
you in fact i would probably say that dr

597
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,120
rupert sheldrake and people other like

598
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,960
that could say you're not even limited

599
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,960
to this planet i would say i'm not quite

600
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,799
sure non-local consciousness means that

601
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:16,080
you can go into the consciousness

602
00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:25,270
another it disappeared it disappeared

603
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,789
the cat's just going to hide somewhere

604
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,640
and then just jump on the they can't get

605
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,280
through this gate yeah so this is one of

606
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,120
the images that you see a lot in the

607
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,039
photos and i mean it does indeed have

608
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,520
more road s qualities here

609
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,919
but that said it to me looks very much

610
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,039
like

611
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,880
unuseful government land that

612
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,039
occasionally is driven into for

613
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,039
maintenance and gas oh he's getting that

614
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,200
black light out again

615
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:50,720
uh you'll you'll probably see the body

616
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,669
see he's sitting and looking there oh

617
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,280
yeah see i'm probably helping the cat

618
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:07,200
slightly i don't know if i'm wiping out

619
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,720
his night vision or not but

620
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:10,720
unsurprisingly we saw a rat and then we

621
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,990
fox moulder here otherwise known as

622
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,840
maynard thank you for listening i

623
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,840
wouldn't say it's an x-file it might be

624
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,720
an x-file with an ex maybe uh that kind

625
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,960
of file but it hasn't been too spooky i

626
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,720
did get scared by a huntsman spider but

627
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,000
then again that could happen anywhere

628
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:30,000
folks yeah and oh there was a rat and

629
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,360
there was a cat

630
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:33,840
and a small mouse which i think is

631
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,200
and we're under a vat

632
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,960
this listen to that isn't that fantastic

633
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,120
oh you have to say hello

634
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,840
hello scully i think it's a contagion

635
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,679
what a contagion there you go that's

636
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,039
just about in every third episode of the

637
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,960
x-files the words contagion gets

638
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,480
mentioned and now it's just it's just

639
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,640
overused now you don't use it anymore

640
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,480
and it's been wonderful having a walk in

641
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,799
the chat and seeing the rat with you oh

642
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:58,880
thank you it's so fabulous to be back on

643
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,840
the skeptic zone such a joy yeah it's

644
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,120
been wonderful having a chat to you good

645
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:04,880
to hear your laugh again too oh thank

646
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,710
hello this is maynard did you know that

647
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:26,320
you could listen to the skeptic zone on

648
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:29,760
youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

649
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,870
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

650
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,880
with michelle bickersma and funny

651
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:40,320
sketches with richard saunders and a

652
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:45,669
just click on the youtube links on the

653
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:01,029
[Music]

654
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:02,400
and now

655
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,530
a reading from the book of tim

656
00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:07,279
[Music]

657
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:10,060
with tim menden

658
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,430
hi my name is tim menden i'm the editor

659
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,600
of the skeptic the magazine of

660
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,840
australian skeptics of which i'm also

661
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,919
executive officer

662
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,440
and today i'll be reading from the

663
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:27,120
magazine the skeptic from an article

664
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,880
that appeared in june 2012 which was

665
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,279
volume 32 number two

666
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,799
this is from the section of the magazine

667
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,799
we call what goes around

668
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,480
which is based on the idea that you can

669
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,559
start with one bit of information work

670
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,159
your way through associations and come

671
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,159
back to where you started from

672
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:45,840
and this time we're looking at

673
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:55,669
[Music]

674
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,240
let's start off with sturgeon's law

675
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,000
that's the name given to two different

676
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,320
adages derived from quotes by science

677
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,279
fiction author theodore sturgeon

678
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,279
the first is nothing is always

679
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,039
absolutely so

680
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:10,559
and the second and the perhaps the more

681
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,200
famous one is 90 of everything is crap

682
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,120
sturgeon himself commented that

683
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:19,039
sturgeon's law was originally the first

684
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,919
version

685
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,840
the second was originally known as

686
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,720
sturgeon's revelation

687
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,080
the meaning of sturgeon's law was

688
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,480
explicitly detailed by sturgeon himself

689
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,720
he made his original remarks in direct

690
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,480
response to attacks against science

691
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,039
fiction that used the worst examples of

692
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,279
the field for ammunition

693
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,200
using the same standards that categorize

694
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,240
90 of science fiction as trash crud or

695
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,520
crap it can be argued that 90 of films

696
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,320
literature consumer goods etc are also

697
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,360
crap in other words the claim or fact

698
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,240
that 90 of science fiction is crud is

699
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,880
ultimately uninformative because science

700
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,799
fiction conforms to the same trends of

701
00:27:02,470 --> 00:26:59,760
quality

702
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,480
as all other art forms do

703
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,400
sturgeon's most famous novel more than

704
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,360
human which came out in 1953

705
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,600
one serious academic recognition

706
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,520
particularly in europe where it was seen

707
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,840
as high quality literature

708
00:27:18,510 --> 00:27:15,600
sturgeon wrote the screenplays for the

709
00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:18,520
star trek episodes sure leave

710
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,640
1966 and amok time

711
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,720
1967 later published as a photo novel in

712
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,799
1978

713
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,960
the latter is known for his invention of

714
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,799
the pon far

715
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,960
the vulcan mating ritual

716
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:35,039
the first use of the phrase live long

717
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,240
and prosper

718
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:38,159
in the first use of the vulcan hand

719
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:41,600
symbol just like this

720
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,480
two

721
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,000
four fingers kept apart with a space in

722
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,440
the middle

723
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,360
at a time when racial segregation was

724
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,360
still firmly entrenched in many areas of

725
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,840
the united states gene roddenberry the

726
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,080
creator of star trek envisaged a

727
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,039
multi-racial and mixed-gender crew

728
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:58,799
based on his assumption that racial

729
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,760
prejudice and sexism would not exist in

730
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,919
the 23rd century

731
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,960
his inclusion of the asian sulu and

732
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,520
black uhura both of them intelligent

733
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,840
well-spoken professionals was a bold

734
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,760
move when most television characters of

735
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,159
the time were white and those who

736
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,240
weren't were often presented in a highly

737
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,320
stereotypical manner

738
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,159
he also included recurring characters

739
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,840
from alien races

740
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,240
including spock who was half human and

741
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,600
half vulcan

742
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,000
united under the banner of the united

743
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,480
federation of planets

744
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,120
star trek introduced television viewers

745
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,279
to many ideas which later became common

746
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,440
in science fiction films and some even

747
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,640
in real life

748
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,600
warp drive teleportation wireless

749
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,520
handheld communicators

750
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,559
as if

751
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,279
and scanners directed energy weapons

752
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,320
desktop computer terminals got

753
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:55,200
out there laser surgery starship

754
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,159
cloaking devices and computer speech

755
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,000
synthesis

756
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,000
although these concepts had numerous

757
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:04,240
antecedents in sci-fi literature and

758
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,200
film

759
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,120
they had never before been integrated in

760
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,640
one presentation

761
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:10,159
and most of them were certainly new to

762
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,840
tv

763
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,760
developers of google earth

764
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,000
and the palm pda if you can remember

765
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,720
that acknowledge star trek's influence

766
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,880
not to mention nasa's prototype space

767
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,360
shuttle the enterprise which was named

768
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,559
after the star trek main vessel

769
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,080
the series frequently included

770
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,320
characters usually security personnel

771
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,039
wearing red uniforms who are killed or

772
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,520
injured soon after their introduction

773
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:37,760
so prevalent was this plot device that

774
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,320
had inspired the term red shirt to

775
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,480
denote a stock character whose sole

776
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,039
purpose is to die vinylly in order to

777
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,120
demonstrate the dangerous circumstances

778
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,360
facing the main characters

779
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:51,919
when a plot twist turns captain james t

780
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,520
kirk into an ensign a crew member says

781
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,600
let's just say that on this ship you

782
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,919
don't want to wear a red shirt on

783
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,919
landing party duty

784
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,080
in the family guy episode

785
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,399
i never met the dead man captain kirk

786
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,080
announced that the landing party to a

787
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,360
planet would consist of himself mr spock

788
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,480
dr mccoy and a certain ensign ricky

789
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,200
wearing a red shirt to which the

790
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,559
enzyme interjects uh crap

791
00:30:28,030 --> 00:30:23,039
which brings us back to sturgeon's law

792
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,310
[Music]

793
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:32,000
that's what goes around from the skeptic

794
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:33,120
magazine

795
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,279
issue from june 2012 volume 32 number

796
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:38,960
two and you can download the entire

797
00:30:44,909 --> 00:30:41,360
issue of that magazine including most

798
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:44,919
issues of the skeptic from our website

799
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:59,990
[Music]

800
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,909
g'day this is dr karl karl kruschniski

801
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,279
proud to be a skeptic and you can find

802
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:05,760
out more about me at drcarl.com and get

803
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:25,750
[Music]

804
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,549
hi

805
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,279
it's michelle bickersma here and i just

806
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:31,360
wanted to share with you

807
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,039
a remarkable letter that i found in my

808
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:38,080
letterbox at my beach shack

809
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,840
on victoria's great surf coast i was

810
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:43,840
going down there to do some fire

811
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,799
prevention cleaning and haven't been for

812
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,279
three months overwintered due to lock

813
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,480
down

814
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,519
and i cleaned out the letterbox and to

815
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:55,120
my delight

816
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,039
i found some handwritten mail a rare

817
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:00,799
treat today

818
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,720
and at first glance i noticed a

819
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,440
carefully drawn octopus it's not a

820
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,919
brilliant work of art but it does have

821
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:12,640
some detail and effort it's colored in

822
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,159
orange with some purple spots and it has

823
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,519
tentacles and detail like that

824
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:21,919
i thought it must have been the local

825
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,399
primary school students

826
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,880
maybe undertaking a special project in

827
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,360
lockdown for the neighborhood as

828
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,679
in melbourne we have really

829
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,640
been invested in our local areas over

830
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,399
lock down

831
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,080
however

832
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,399
on the back of the envelope next to the

833
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,279
octopus it says

834
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:45,039
was it designed

835
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,120
the amazing arm of the octopus

836
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:51,519
that was a little clue to the contents

837
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,720
really

838
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,919
anyway

839
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,000
rather than discard it on the spot i

840
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,720
decided to read the letter especially

841
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,960
because it was hand written

842
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,679
on some kind of writing paper and this

843
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,919
is what it says

844
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,159
the octopus can grab

845
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,279
hold and squeeze objects with its eight

846
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,240
extendable and flexible arms

847
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,279
even in tiny places

848
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,840
not only can the octopus bend its

849
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,240
tentacles in any direction

850
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:24,559
but it can also stiffen different

851
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,350
researchers believe that a similarly

852
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,399
soft flexible robot arm would be

853
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,720
invaluable in performing complex

854
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,559
procedures

855
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,720
such a robotic arm has already been

856
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,600
developed and is being used in simulated

857
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:46,159
operations

858
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:50,240
one part of the 135 millimeter arm can

859
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:53,840
manipulate soft internal organs by

860
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,039
lifting and holding them without causing

861
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,240
any damage to them

862
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:01,840
what do you think

863
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,880
did the arm of the octopus evolve

864
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:07,840
or was it designed

865
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,560
to find out more about god's creations

866
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,839
visit jw.org

867
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:15,440
kind regards

868
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,470
now

869
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,800
i was delighted

870
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,960
by the effort

871
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,119
of the artwork

872
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,679
and handwriting

873
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,399
and kind of charmed

874
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,440
by

875
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:36,320
the imagination of the person that they

876
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:40,639
ponder the wonders of the world

877
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:41,679
yet

878
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:43,800
at the same time

879
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:46,879
disheartened that they clearly didn't

880
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,960
come to the conclusion that the octopus

881
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:53,760
has evolved

882
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,800
i don't know what do you think

883
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,720
was it designed

884
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,480
i'm pretty sure

885
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:02,480
i know the answer

886
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,280
is

887
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:04,560
no

888
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:11,580
this is michelle bickersma signing off

889
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,230
tv

890
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:38,460
[Applause]

891
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,960
[Music]

892
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:53,040
now it's time once again to have a look

893
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,800
into those digital archives at trove

894
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,800
trove.nl

895
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,079
dot a u

896
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,400
your online resource for digitized

897
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,160
newspapers gazettes periodicals

898
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,359
magazines journals notes diaries

899
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:09,359
and so on

900
00:36:12,340 --> 00:36:10,640
but mostly

901
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,350
newspapers i think

902
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,599
[Music]

903
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,280
and since today

904
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,960
is halloween

905
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,359
i thought i'd look up exactly that

906
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,520
references to halloween throughout the

907
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:26,000
decades and decades of australian

908
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,310
now many people here in australia are of

909
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:38,640
the opinion that halloween

910
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,359
is a more recent american thing

911
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,440
that's come to australia

912
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,119
certainly when i was growing up we knew

913
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,640
of halloween but we didn't go out

914
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,240
trick-or-treating or anything like that

915
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,320
it simply wasn't a thing

916
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,000
although over the last

917
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,160
two decades it's become more and more

918
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,760
popular until now every halloween

919
00:37:02,790 --> 00:36:59,760
there are lots of kids running around

920
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,800
all dressed up as ghosts and ghouls

921
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,200
visiting houses and you know what i

922
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:06,960
think it's a lot of fun

923
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,760
one of my first experiences of halloween

924
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,680
was in the little uh

925
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,400
town of tribune in saskatchewan canada

926
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,480
in the late 60s when i was only a very

927
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,839
small boy

928
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,640
dressed up as a ghost or a ghoul or

929
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,480
something like that

930
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:24,079
now let's look to see what has been

931
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,040
written

932
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,960
kept in the archives and we start with

933
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:29,040
the brisbane courier

934
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:32,640
dated the 27th of october

935
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:36,870
halloween

936
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:39,050
writes

937
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:46,630
all hallows eve or halloween will be

938
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,359
celebrated once more next monday

939
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,400
and the underlying idea of supernatural

940
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,680
influences and ghosts being abroad

941
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,400
will color the festivities public and

942
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:01,119
private that are usually arranged on

943
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,400
that day

944
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:04,800
the celebrating of halloween seems to be

945
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:07,920
a relic of pagan times though its origin

946
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,720
is shrouded in mystery an authoritative

947
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,040
writer on the subject however

948
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,440
comments as follows

949
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,920
there is a remarkable uniformity at the

950
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,400
firesides of this night all over the

951
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,760
united kingdom

952
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:23,920
nuts and apples are everywhere in

953
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,880
requisition and consumed

954
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,000
in immense numbers indeed the name of

955
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,680
nutcrack night

956
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,760
by which halloween is known in the north

957
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,160
of england indicates the predominance of

958
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,800
the former of these articles in making

959
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,359
up the entertainments of the evening in

960
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,000
ireland when the colleen's would know if

961
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,880
their sweethearts are faithful

962
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:49,760
they put three nuts upon the bars of the

963
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,359
great naming the nuts after the lovers

964
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,480
if a nut cracks or jumps the lover will

965
00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:59,520
prove unfaithful if it begins to blaze

966
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,640
or burn he has regard for the person

967
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,560
making the trial

968
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,400
if the nuts named after the girl and the

969
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,880
lover burn together

970
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,200
they will be married this custom used to

971
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,000
be well practiced in england on all

972
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,520
halloween

973
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:18,079
according to brand and pennant and

974
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:19,839
others many people in the north of

975
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:23,119
england dive for apples or catch at them

976
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:27,119
when struck upon one end of a kind of

977
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,640
hanging beam

978
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:31,760
at the other extremity of which is fixed

979
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,640
a lighted candle this they do with their

980
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,200
mouths only their hands being tied

981
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,520
behind their backs in an ancient

982
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,359
illuminated missile

983
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,119
in the dance collection a youth is

984
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:47,680
represented balancing himself upon a

985
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,960
pole laid across two stools at the end

986
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,599
of the pole is a lighted candle from

987
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:56,079
which he is endeavoring to light another

988
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,359
in his hand

989
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,480
at the risk of tumbling into a tub of

990
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,119
water placed under him

991
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,160
one charm consists in eating an apple

992
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,000
before a looking glass

993
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,839
you must take a candle and go alone to a

994
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,359
looking glass

995
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,440
and eat an apple before it

996
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:18,079
some traditions say you should comb your

997
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,960
hair

998
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,160
all the time

999
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,480
the face of your conjunctional companion

1000
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,680
will then be seen in the glass as if

1001
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,400
peering over your shoulder

1002
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,560
perhaps one of the most popular games

1003
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:32,880
with apples is to set them afloat in a

1004
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,240
tub of water into which the juveniles

1005
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:39,280
by turn duck their heads with the object

1006
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:40,000
of

1007
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,359
catching one

1008
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,000
this sport causes much fun amongst the

1009
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,800
youngsters who make for the apples with

1010
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,480
stalks

1011
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,280
though many deftly suck the apple if a

1012
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,480
small one into their mouths

1013
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,960
but there are many ways of securing an

1014
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,240
apple

1015
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,400
another custom much practiced on

1016
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:02,319
halloween was

1017
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,440
three

1018
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,800
dishes

1019
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,040
two of these are filled one with pure

1020
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,839
spring water the other with water not so

1021
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,720
clean

1022
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:12,880
and the other dish is empty

1023
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,520
they are arranged on the hearth

1024
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,000
when the parties blindfolded advance in

1025
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:20,160
succession and dip their fingers into

1026
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,839
one if they dip into the pure water they

1027
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,240
are to marry a maiden

1028
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,400
if into the other

1029
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,760
a widow

1030
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,400
if into the empty dish the individual is

1031
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,800
destined to be either a bachelor

1032
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,400
or an old maid

1033
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,040
as each person takes his turn the

1034
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:42,640
position of the dishes is changed

1035
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,839
what a fun game that sounds like

1036
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:48,480
modern ideas which have been introduced

1037
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:51,680
for halloween celebrations include

1038
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,319
the broom dance in which one person is

1039
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,800
given a broom dressed as a ghost or a

1040
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,960
witch for a partner

1041
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,119
when the music stops suddenly as in

1042
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,680
musical chairs the dancer drops the

1043
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:04,640
broom

1044
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,400
and all change partners and he who does

1045
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,960
not secure a partner must dance with the

1046
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,079
broom

1047
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,480
till the next stop comes

1048
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,560
another novelty dance consists in

1049
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,560
distributing cards bearing figures of

1050
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:19,920
black cats

1051
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,640
pumpkin heads owls witches bats spider

1052
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,599
webs

1053
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,400
and ghosts the men must seek the

1054
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:29,040
corresponding card and dance with the

1055
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,640
girl who has it

1056
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,119
the director of the dance having chosen

1057
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:35,599
beforehand which shall be the lucky

1058
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:39,839
figure calls it intervals bats or else

1059
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,640
drops out and all the persons with those

1060
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,400
cards must retire

1061
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,040
and so on till only the ones left are

1062
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:49,599
the holders of the winning emblems

1063
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,480
who may receive a small prize

1064
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:54,960
there you are you see there's some fun

1065
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,800
fun fun halloween activities

1066
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:01,280
for you to try dating back

1067
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,880
in this report anyway to 1932

1068
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,560
and our next report is from the

1069
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,720
pittsworth sentinel

1070
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:09,920
dated the

1071
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:13,119
29th of october 1948

1072
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,400
and that is from queensland australia

1073
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,880
halloween ball

1074
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,440
although threatening weather continues

1075
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,440
during the early afternoon and evening

1076
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:25,760
prevailed yesterday a very large

1077
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,800
attendance thronged the masonic hall

1078
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:31,520
last night where the annual halloween

1079
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,520
ball organized by the local younger set

1080
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,560
was held visitors were present from all

1081
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:41,359
parts of the district and fun

1082
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:45,280
was fast and furious at midnight when a

1083
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,880
ghost from the spirit world appeared

1084
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:51,040
after many eerie announcements from the

1085
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,319
mc

1086
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,680
the visitor bounced down the hall

1087
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,160
falling down and worshipping the large

1088
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,480
witch prominently displayed at the end

1089
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:01,920
of the hall

1090
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,480
the ghost moved around amongst the fair

1091
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:07,200
sex creating panic

1092
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:08,480
when he swept

1093
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,920
members off into a dance

1094
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,720
oh

1095
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,319
see what happens when you

1096
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:16,000
give the organization over to the

1097
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,599
younger set

1098
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:19,599
the decorative scheme which was carried

1099
00:44:26,589 --> 00:44:22,640
out under the supervision of mr d shanks

1100
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:26,599
presented an attractive appearance

1101
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,160
festoons of streamers in shades of

1102
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,800
yellow and black were draped to each end

1103
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:33,920
of the hall

1104
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,040
and sent a piece of two smaller hoops in

1105
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,000
rainbow shades created a gay splash of

1106
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,920
color

1107
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,599
large hangings of the traditional

1108
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,599
halloween shades of yellow and black

1109
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,319
adorned with eerie faces were hung

1110
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,280
around the walls and black cats bats

1111
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,440
owls and pumpkin faces used in

1112
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,240
decorative scheme were reminders of the

1113
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,520
supernatural tradition of halloween

1114
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,079
large clusters of rainbow shaded

1115
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,640
balloons were suspended from the ceiling

1116
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,880
and the stage was effectively arranged

1117
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,280
with large bowls of spanish

1118
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,400
broom and greenery

1119
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,440
mr d shanks was an efficient mc and was

1120
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:17,599
aided in his duties by

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00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:20,400
an amplifying system

1122
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,079
mr d c munroe was door keeper

1123
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:27,359
smith's orchestra supplied dance music

1124
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:31,520
with extras by meza's m galleon and l

1125
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,280
e singh the yuca games were won by mezas

1126
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,800
c johnston and j snowden

1127
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:39,760
chance

1128
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,160
and madames j seymour and w hardy

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00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,599
ladies

1130
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,680
during the evening novelty dances were

1131
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:50,160
held and were won by the following

1132
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:54,079
miss dot lewis and partner and mr s

1133
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,400
fowler and miss d fisher spot waltzers

1134
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,000
and miss lyle clouds and her partner

1135
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:03,599
monte carlo

1136
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,640
a dainty buffet supper was served in a

1137
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,680
marquee erected outside the hall

1138
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,200
you see for all those australian

1139
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,119
listeners

1140
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,880
they've been celebrating halloween in

1141
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,440
one form or another in this country for

1142
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,160
many many many decades

1143
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,200
even if it was uh an interesting um

1144
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,280
ball

1145
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:27,520
and as further proof for that let's look

1146
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:29,920
at the sydney morning herald dated

1147
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,839
friday the 1st of november 1935

1148
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,119
halloween

1149
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,000
sydney celebrations

1150
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:39,920
exactly 1

1151
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,920
100 years ago pope gregory iv instituted

1152
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:46,160
halloween as a festival of the christian

1153
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,359
church

1154
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,280
right down through the ages till the

1155
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,480
present day

1156
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:52,960
hallow mass has been an important

1157
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,160
festival day and halloween the eve of

1158
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,800
all hallows or all saints day is an

1159
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,040
important fixture in the scottish

1160
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,760
calendar and has always been associated

1161
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,079
in the past centuries with mystical and

1162
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,040
supernatural doings ghosts

1163
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:10,720
and such things

1164
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,079
members of the robert burns 1933 society

1165
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,960
of australia last night as in every

1166
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,960
other part of the world where scottish

1167
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,680
people gather celebrated halloween with

1168
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,280
the quadrilles

1169
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,800
ate some real

1170
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,680
the island shotish and the highland

1171
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,359
man's glory

1172
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,160
that was the eldest part while the

1173
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,319
children gave displays of pretty

1174
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,800
scottish folk dancers

1175
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:38,559
dawkin for apples

1176
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,680
in which the performers with knees on

1177
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,079
the seats of chairs tried to stick

1178
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,800
floating apples with a fork protruding

1179
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,520
from their mouths caused a great deal of

1180
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,839
merriment while others tried their hands

1181
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,240
with the treacle scone

1182
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,040
the merry-making lasted until nearly

1183
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,160
midnight when another halomas was added

1184
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:03,359
to the age-old festival the president of

1185
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,359
the society mr d w brown presided there

1186
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,119
you are you see another example of

1187
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,200
simply too much fun

1188
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,599
on halloween in the past

1189
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,760
and finally we come to the argus from

1190
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:17,599
melbourne victoria dated the 2nd of

1191
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,480
november 1942.

1192
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,079
life of melbourne

1193
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,760
halloween party

1194
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:25,920
at the american red cross hospitality

1195
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:29,119
center on saturday night 200 girl

1196
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,480
hostesses under the chaperoneage of mrs

1197
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,440
earl minute were introduced to a new

1198
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,160
form of entertainment for australians

1199
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,079
a halloween party

1200
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,520
the girls were dressed as witches ghosts

1201
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,800
ranchers

1202
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,000
or other

1203
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,280
dashing personagers and they donned

1204
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,079
masks before entering the dancehall

1205
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,400
american and other servicemen who were

1206
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,760
the dance partners were also masked and

1207
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,319
in some cases wore fancy dress

1208
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,720
between dancers apple eating contests

1209
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:04,800
and other forms of amusement were

1210
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,160
provided for the 400 guests a splendid

1211
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,480
band and a crooner

1212
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:12,880
were the other attractions which were

1213
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,520
much appreciated and at the end of this

1214
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,520
little report it says

1215
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,079
sailors soldiers and airmen's war widows

1216
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,680
association will meet tomorrow at 8 at

1217
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,200
anzac house

1218
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,480
the box plan for the war loan preview at

1219
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,200
the regent theatre on november 19 will

1220
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:34,000
open at 10 a.m today

1221
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,440
commencing today at arts and crafts shop

1222
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,400
albany court there will be a six days

1223
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,200
display of hospital utensils made by red

1224
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,480
cross papia mache department

1225
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:48,960
wow interesting stuff from

1226
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,400
of course 1942 the war years

1227
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:55,119
and i imagine this

1228
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,359
this situation here in 1942

1229
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:01,920
where the australians were introduced to

1230
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:04,480
a halloween party i guess that was a

1231
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,920
very american halloween affair as

1232
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:09,599
opposed to the ones we were reading

1233
00:50:13,930 --> 00:50:11,920
earlier which were more based on british

1234
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:13,940
traditions

1235
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:21,030
another interesting look into the trove

1236
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,240
archives

1237
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,319
and you too can

1238
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:26,400
see what you can find by visiting

1239
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,069
putting in your search and you never

1240
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,480
know what you'll find

1241
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:37,520
and

1242
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:41,359
as that saying goes the past is a

1243
00:50:45,770 --> 00:51:02,150
[Music]

1244
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,750
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1245
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,000
zone and thank you thank you thank you

1246
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:08,400
thank you siobhano sutherland for

1247
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,440
uh a wonderful night it was great to do

1248
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,839
a field report with uh siobhan and

1249
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,440
maynard getting out there with

1250
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,079
microphones wandering around that's what

1251
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,319
uh to me that's what skepticism is all

1252
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,680
about having a bit of fun and

1253
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,240
investigating and please check out the

1254
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,880
extended content on youtube with the

1255
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,119
link in this week's show notes

1256
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:32,079
and yet another big thank you to siobhan

1257
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:32,960
she

1258
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,400
gifted maynard and i one each a

1259
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,880
popping filter for recording work

1260
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,920
siobhan

1261
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,000
much appreciated in fact i'm using it

1262
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,480
right now and i used it just the other

1263
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,720
day when i was conducting a live

1264
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:47,839
interview

1265
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,200
on video so thank you it's not long now

1266
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,200
until skepticon the joint australian

1267
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:55,680
skeptics new zealand skeptics convention

1268
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:58,720
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1269
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,390
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1270
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,760
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1271
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,240
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1273
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1275
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1276
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,359
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1277
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,359
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1280
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,400
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1281
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:28,800
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1282
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,359
to run to the store to buy some

1283
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:33,280
lollies and candy for halloween because

1284
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:34,400
who knows

1285
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,599
who's going to be knocking at the

1286
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,040
skeptic's own door

1287
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,880
maybe maynard

1288
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,040
yeah i wouldn't put it past him this is

1289
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:43,280
richard saunders signing off from sydney

1290
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,470
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1291
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1292
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